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Don’t call someone ignorant while admitting you, yourself, are ignorant

Posted in Evolution with tags , , , , , , , , , on September 7, 2008 by airtightnoodle

A while back I came across the following post entitled “Just Pondering Creationism“.  It’s a post by a creationist named Michael Brewer stating that God made the earth in six literal days, the creation was originally perfect, maybe there’s a gap between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2, and so on. 

Now, in my opinion, the post itself wasn’t really that interesting, but the ensuing comments were.

A poster named bobcu wrote about the mountains of evidence supporting evolution, and then a rather childish commenter insulted bobcu.  Pretty standard back-and-forth science vs. religion stuff.

But then it got interesting.

The original poster, Michael Brewer, then wrote that:

But honesly, bobcu, needs a lot more education in science and scientific theory, and he speaks without really knowing what he’s talking about. Otherwise he would be hurting to explain the contradictions to natural science that occur in the natural world.

Michael then mentions what he feels those contradictions are:

Macro and micro physics are a great example. Or how about the way atoms stay together instead of unravelling. (And that is some of the few things I do know and I know very little about science.)

First of all, what exactly are the problems Michael is seeing with science in these areas?  We do not know, because he will not elaborate.  But the real kicker is the last bit, where Michael admits he knows “very little” about science after just telling another person, bobcu, to get more educated in science and scientific theory!

Now, while this is aleady rather pathetic, it gets even worse for Michael.  In another post titled, “Just Pondering Creationism: Carbon 14 Dating“, Michael provides a link called “The Carbon 14 Myth”, which essentially sets up a straw man argument saying that when evolutionists use carbon 14 dating to refer to fossils older than 50,000 years, they are idiots.  (No, really?  Fortunately, most evolutionists do NOT do that.  I’ve never known one to do so, as they are, usually, much more intelligent than that.)  In this post, Michael admits that he:

  • has very little knowledge of the spectrum of science, and
  • has poor math skills.

I don’t think it will come as any surprise to anyone who reads this blog regularly that I attempted to point these facts out to Michael in the following comment on September 2:

I’m not really seeing anywhere in your post exactly why you believe the six days were literal.

“Why six literal days? Well besides believing that God is much greater than I can fathom and by His will all things were, are, and remain to be (Revelation 4:11), I also believe that God made His creation perfect (“And God saw that it was good…”).”

It says in your own quote that God called it good, not perfect. So what makes you think it was perfect?

“I’m a creationist…but maybe not your average creationist?”

Sounds pretty average to me. I don’t mean that in an insulting manner at all. Rather, I think you may be comforted to realize there are many creationists out there that have proposed exactly what you are talking about. Google “gap theory”.

“But honesly, bobcu, needs a lot more education in science and scientific theory, and he speaks without really knowing what he’s talking about.”

This is rather ironic and a little rude considering that in your Carbon 14 post you said yourself that you have little knowledge of the spectrum of science. And, just a few lines later, you admit this again–”(And that is some of the few things I do know and I know very little about science.)”

“Otherwise he would be hurting to explain the contradictions to natural science that occur in the natural world. ”

Be more specific, please.

Michael has not responded to this comment, though he has replied since then to others in the thread, so I’m willing to bet my comment did not get overlooked.

Now, I’m not trying to pick on the guy just for “picking’s” sake.  I’m really not.  Not everyone has a great science education.  Oh well.  Not everyone is going to see the nonsense in creationism.  Sad, but true.  However, I can’t help but have a problem with Christians making themselves and other Christians look bad when they insult someone else’s intelligence while admitting at the same time that they, personally, have no clue what they are talking about.